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Vilja Kainu, LLM, Med. Kand.'s avatar

Anime avatar, left-brain categorisation ... getting close a bingo ;)

Have you taken a look at 4chan's lgbt board? It's sometimes called /tttt/ because the majority of threads are discussions by trans on different aspects of the life. Seems like they have pretty much the same understanding of their condition as you put forth here.

Scientifically, the existence of the intersex category and the fighting over where the category line between female and intersex goes (this matters a great deal for professional sports, I'm told) as well as clinical experience will tell you that biological sex is not something that exists as a discrete three-category variable -- it's an interpretation of things that exist and almost always hang together. Like having maternal instincts, uterus, ovaria and breast glands. But everyone has a unique mosaic of 'female' and 'male' features.

My mother is the hardest-ass lawyer you'll ever meet. (She also hated having 'female' physiology with the physical weakness and menses, which only a 'jeep' could like imo) And there are pear-shaped 'men' who like caring roles. Women with long ring fingers, men with varus knees and elbows and so on... But almost universally, there are just two genders. And yes, evolution did an ok job at making sure female and male features go together and don't appear as a random infertile mush most of the time.

More personally, I had a hard time getting over the ick and trying to acclimatise myself to the patients, accepting their ... your ... selves for what you are. Couldn't hack it. Getting told to choke on a 'girl "rooster"' bc I'm a gatekeeping transmedicalist neofash for explaining why the tax payer cannot provide best -- i.e. most expensive -- cosmetic surgery in the world for a condition that isn't dangerous as such, why the taxpayer can't be asked to pay for essentially aesthetic treatments...

Hope your approach results in reduction of patient numbers.

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Pearl Harper's avatar

This is a fascinating explanation, but I'm skeptical of the "autoandrophobia" part.

I'm a trans woman who definitely fits the general description of AGP. Lived as a straight man for a long time, had several LTRs with women, all the while fantasizing about being a woman myself. And as you note, I was repulsed by the idea of being with another man.

But I was never repulsed by *my own* male body. I never had any of the "neurotic body loathing" that you associate with AGP. One reason I never considered transition earlier in life was that I never experienced anything I could recognize as "gender dysphoria": no distress about being male, didn't mind seeing pictures of myself or hearing my voice. I haven't felt the need to retcon my childhood to obscure the fact that my hobbies were completely male-typical and that there was nothing feminine about my personality. I was shy about asking girls out, but had no problem taking on the "male role" in relationships once I was in one. And although I do plan on getting bottom surgery, it wasn't my highest priority.

If I understand your explanation here correctly, that ought to suggest that I'm actually AGAMP. But I don't really fit that description at all! I don't especially want to be trans, I want to be *female*; transitioning is simply the closest it's possible to get to that. My fantasies have never included being a "feminized male" or having any remaining male parts. And the idea of being with another trans woman isn't really any more appealing than being with a man as long as there's any recognizable trace of maleness.

So, where does that leave me?

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